For Bob Levine: Things you can't do in Windows you can do on a Mac

[Tim Murray]

Hey, you asked:

Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.

Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.

Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.

Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).

Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.

Drag the window name of a document into any location.

Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.

Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.

Two-finger trackpad scrolling.

Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz. No
Windows third party software provides this.

Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.

Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

[Steve Carroll]

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz. No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in Vista,
either).

[Steve de Mena]

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz. No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in Vista,
either).

What about DXi?

Steve

[Markus Vitel]

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa
applications (except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I
find hard to believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but
it's at the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even
if that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and
without having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps,
such as select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13;
speak the text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it
as Graphviz. No Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path
of file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available
for Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without
third-party software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in Vista,
either).

What about DXi?
Steve

I think OGL will see some updates shortly... It's been a bit stagnant
(one of the downfalls of sticking with "Open" protocols.. you can't
always just design it to do what you need/want (like DX))

It's long been on the rumor mill about OGL updates in the pipeline. We'll see.

Markus Vitel

[Steve de Mena]

Post by Markus Vitel

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa
applications (except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which
I find hard to believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but
it's at the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to,
even if that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and
without having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps,
such as select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings,
Rot13; speak the text; calculate equations; send selection as
e-mail, view it as Graphviz. No Windows third party software
provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the
path of file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is
available for Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without
third-party software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in
Vista, either).

What about DXi?
Steve

I think OGL will see some updates shortly... It's been a bit stagnant
(one of the downfalls of sticking with "Open" protocols.. you can't
always just design it to do what you need/want (like DX))
It's long been on the rumor mill about OGL updates in the pipeline. We'll see.
Markus Vitel

Actually I was thinking of this:

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/DXi/Advantage.asp

Maybe not the best page out there but the first I
could find. When I ran music apps on Windows I
would need to find VST or DXi plugins, as I now
look for AU on my Mac.

Steve

[Markus Vitel]

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Markus Vitel

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Tim Murray
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without
third-party software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in Vista,
either).

What about DXi?
Steve

I think OGL will see some updates shortly... It's been a bit stagnant
(one of the downfalls of sticking with "Open" protocols.. you can't
always just design it to do what you need/want (like DX))
It's long been on the rumor mill about OGL updates in the pipeline. We'll see.
Markus Vitel

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/DXi/Advantage.asp
Maybe not the best page out there but the first I could find. When I
ran music apps on Windows I would need to find VST or DXi plugins, as I
now look for AU on my Mac.
Steve

Oh I apologize, I thought you meant Direct X (and I assumed the "XI"
was the next iteration, I don't pay much attention to its versions
sorry!) I see now the reference to Core Audio and your building on that
as Cakewalk as a counter point.

Anyway, I don't know too much about audio so I won't make any further
comments about it until I feel the need to research & learn more!

Have at it, you two!

Markus Vitel

[Steve Carroll]

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in Vista,
either).

What about DXi?

From what I know of it, it's merely a plug in architecture (like AU or
VST).

[Steve de Mena]

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Steve Carroll

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Windows has nothing remotely similar to Core Audio (and won't in Vista,
either).

What about DXi?

From what I know of it, it's merely a plug in architecture (like AU or
VST).

Yes, my mistake. I was thinking AU and Core Audio
were the same.

Steve

[George Graves]

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz. No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Add to that:

Real color management.

The ability to make PDFs from EPS files and documents containing
embedded EPS files without third party software like Acrobat Distiller
or a PostScript printer driver.

Rasterize EPS on screen in real time for REAL WYSIWYG!

True kerning pairs in type.

ASCII extended character sets part of the font file, not embeeded in the
application/system. Want Mu? Just type option m, etc.

[Lefty Bigfoot]

George Graves wrote
(in article

Post by George Graves

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Real color management.
The ability to make PDFs from EPS files and documents containing
embedded EPS files without third party software like Acrobat Distiller
or a PostScript printer driver.
Rasterize EPS on screen in real time for REAL WYSIWYG!
True kerning pairs in type.
ASCII extended character sets part of the font file, not embeeded in the
application/system. Want Mu? Just type option m, etc.

Add to that: Ability to run it on a network connection, without
adware and virus protection software, and browse the web with
the OS default browser without being infected and taken over by
a bot network in minutes.

[George Graves]

Post by Lefty Bigfoot
(in article

Post by George Graves

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Real color management.
The ability to make PDFs from EPS files and documents containing
embedded EPS files without third party software like Acrobat Distiller
or a PostScript printer driver.
Rasterize EPS on screen in real time for REAL WYSIWYG!
True kerning pairs in type.
ASCII extended character sets part of the font file, not embeeded in the
application/system. Want Mu? Just type option m, etc.

Add to that: Ability to run it on a network connection, without
adware and virus protection software, and browse the web with
the OS default browser without being infected and taken over by
a bot network in minutes.

Yeah, that too!

[Steve de Mena]

Post by Lefty Bigfoot
(in article

Post by George Graves

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Real color management.
The ability to make PDFs from EPS files and documents containing
embedded EPS files without third party software like Acrobat Distiller
or a PostScript printer driver.
Rasterize EPS on screen in real time for REAL WYSIWYG!
True kerning pairs in type.
ASCII extended character sets part of the font file, not embeeded in the
application/system. Want Mu? Just type option m, etc.

Add to that: Ability to run it on a network connection, without
adware and virus protection software, and browse the web with
the OS default browser without being infected and taken over by
a bot network in minutes.

hahahaha. Although I ran Anti-Virus software, it
never popped up and told me it found anything.
Of course I did have the built-in Firewall on, and
I am behind a cable modem router.

This just won't happen in Windows. And by Windows
let me specifically say I am referring to the
current version "Windows XP with SP 2 with
Firewall Enabled". I am not referring to Windows
95, 98, 200, or Windows XP [without SP2], or
Windows XP SP2 with the Firewall disabled.

Steve

[Lefty Bigfoot]

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Lefty Bigfoot
(in article

Post by George Graves

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Real color management.
The ability to make PDFs from EPS files and documents containing
embedded EPS files without third party software like Acrobat Distiller
or a PostScript printer driver.
Rasterize EPS on screen in real time for REAL WYSIWYG!
True kerning pairs in type.
ASCII extended character sets part of the font file, not embeeded in the
application/system. Want Mu? Just type option m, etc.

Add to that: Ability to run it on a network connection, without
adware and virus protection software, and browse the web with
the OS default browser without being infected and taken over by
a bot network in minutes.

hahahaha. Although I ran Anti-Virus software, it
never popped up and told me it found anything.
Of course I did have the built-in Firewall on, and
I am behind a cable modem router.
This just won't happen in Windows. And by Windows
let me specifically say I am referring to the
current version "Windows XP with SP 2 with
Firewall Enabled". I am not referring to Windows
95, 98, 200, or Windows XP [without SP2], or
Windows XP SP2 with the Firewall disabled.

PC magazine disagrees with you.

Post by Steve de Mena
Steve

[Steve de Mena]

Post by Lefty Bigfoot

Post by Steve de Mena

Post by Lefty Bigfoot
(in article

Post by George Graves

Post by Tim Murray
Boot from an external drive and run any app an any drive.
Drag apps around willy nilly and they still run.
Assign a single file to launch with the app of choice.
Run the same dictionary with the same custom words in all Cocoa applications
(except MS Office, which MS tells me is Cocoa ... which I find hard to
believe).
Ctrl+scroll zoom in all applications. Some Windows apps do this, but it's at
the application level, not the OS.
Drag the window name of a document into any location.
Create an alias and have any other app find the file it points to, even if
that file has been moved.
Create a standalone screen capture without third-party software, and without
having to paste it into some other app.
Two-finger trackpad scrolling.
Run a uniform set of embedded services available to all Cocoa apps, such as
select any text and convert tabs, quotes, line endings, Rot13; speak the
text; calculate equations; send selection as e-mail, view it as Graphviz.
No
Windows third party software provides this.
Hover the pointer over a folder and have that folder appear in the path of
file dialogs. Third-party Mac software, but nothing is available for
Windows.
Wifi and Bluetooth. You can't run either one in Windows without third-party
software.

Real color management.
The ability to make PDFs from EPS files and documents containing
embedded EPS files without third party software like Acrobat Distiller
or a PostScript printer driver.
Rasterize EPS on screen in real time for REAL WYSIWYG!
True kerning pairs in type.
ASCII extended character sets part of the font file, not embeeded in the
application/system. Want Mu? Just type option m, etc.

Add to that: Ability to run it on a network connection, without
adware and virus protection software, and browse the web with
the OS default browser without being infected and taken over by
a bot network in minutes.

hahahaha. Although I ran Anti-Virus software, it
never popped up and told me it found anything.
Of course I did have the built-in Firewall on, and
I am behind a cable modem router.
This just won't happen in Windows. And by Windows
let me specifically say I am referring to the
current version "Windows XP with SP 2 with
Firewall Enabled". I am not referring to Windows
95, 98, 200, or Windows XP [without SP2], or
Windows XP SP2 with the Firewall disabled.

PC magazine disagrees with you.

Post by Steve de Mena
Steve

Your message must have got truncated going through
the Internet "pipes", as I didn't see the PC
Magazine URL supporting your remark that I am sure
you meant to include.

Steve

[Tim Murray]

A few others, comparing Windows as shipped to OS X as shipped.

Now, for this one, you might be able to do this on Windows: Switch users
while allowing processes of the user you switch *from* to keep running.

Print CMYK without third-party software.

Sync your address book and calendar with a cell phone without third-party
software. Use a cell phone as a modem without third-party software.

Have your computer pop up a note that you're receiving a cell phone call, or
that you've received an SMS message. Send an SMS message without third-party
software.

[ed]

Post by Tim Murray
A few others, comparing Windows as shipped to OS X as shipped.
Now, for this one, you might be able to do this on Windows: Switch
users while allowing processes of the user you switch *from* to keep
running.

not only can you do that, i recall jobs stating in the keynote where it was
introduced that they pretty much copied the functionality from windows and
prettied it up a bit... ;D


<snip>

Post by Tim Murray
Use a cell phone as a modem without
third-party software.

you need a driver for the hardware, but the modem functionality is regular
built-in dial-up networking; i doubt this is different than w/ windows....

<snip>